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Do large language models actually perform iterative optimization?
Explores whether LLMs execute genuine numerical procedures like Newton-Raphson or instead pattern-match to memorized solution templates when solving constrained optimization problems.
The constraint-optimization study identifies the mechanism behind the 55-60% plateau directly. LLMs cannot actually perform Newton-Raphson iterations in their latent space. They cannot execute primal-dual updates, nor any other iterative numerical procedure that genuine optimization requires. When asked to do so, they fall back to what the paper calls "result guessing" — recognizing the problem as similar to a standard power grid (or financial dataset, or security scenario) and emitting values that pattern-match what a valid solution should look like.
The fallback is silent. The output is fluent, well-formatted, often plausible. It can pass surface-level inspection because the model has seen many examples of what answers in this domain look like. What it has not done is solve the problem. The constraint values are wrong in ways that physical or financial systems would actually reject.
This explains why scale, architecture, and training regime do not move the plateau. They improve the template but not the procedure. A larger model has seen more example solutions and can produce more convincing guesses. Reinforcement learning on outcome rewards reinforces the template-matching pattern. None of this installs the iterative-computation capability the problem requires.
The mechanism — pattern-match against memorized solution-shapes when genuine computation is required — generalizes beyond optimization. It is plausibly the same mechanism behind a class of mathematical-reasoning failures where models produce confidently wrong numerical answers that resemble the right shape. The category is "looks like a solution; is not derived from one."
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- Why do reasoning models fail to improve constrained optimization performance?
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- Why do language models plateau at 55 to 60 percent constraint satisfaction?
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- What latent mechanisms do LLMs use when they cannot execute iterative methods?
- Why do language models fail at iterative numerical optimization despite scale?
- How do out-of-distribution tests reveal that optimization learning is memorization?
- What makes natural-language APIs particularly suited to LLM-based simulation?
- How do deterministic symbolic solvers improve the reliability of language model reasoning?
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- Why do hybrid memory and compute sparsity outperform pure parameter scaling?
- Why does iterative refinement fail when information stays constant?
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- How can we probe LLM representations in channels that training did not target?
- Why do language models plateau at constraint satisfaction regardless of scale?
- Can language models execute iterative numerical methods in latent space?
- Can width-scaling replace depth-scaling on inherently sequential problems?
- Can smaller LLMs perform tool use tasks through modular decomposition?
- What prevents monolithic LLMs from coordinating decomposition with execution?
- Can categorical correctness signals stop dense optimizers from finding loopholes?
- Can trained models encode programs more complex than their data-generating process?
- Why does prompt optimization alone fail to inject genuinely new knowledge?
- Why do LLMs fail at iterative numerical computation in latent space?
- What constraint satisfaction rate do LLMs achieve at scale?
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Do larger language models solve constrained optimization better?
Explores whether scaling LLMs—through more parameters, better training, or reasoning extensions—improves their ability to satisfy constraints in real optimization problems like power grids and portfolios.
same paper, the plateau this mechanism explains
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Do reasoning models actually beat standard models on optimization?
Explores whether extended chain-of-thought in reasoning models delivers performance gains on constraint-satisfaction problems like power-grid optimization. Matters because reasoning models are treated as automatic upgrades, but the evidence may not support that claim.
same paper, why extended CoT does not fix it
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Do fine-tuned language models actually learn optimization procedures?
Can RL fine-tuning teach LLMs to solve constraint-optimization problems through genuine reasoning, or does it merely sharpen pattern-matching? Testing on out-of-distribution variants reveals the mechanism.
same paper, the diagnostic that exposes the memorization
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Does chain-of-thought reasoning reveal genuine inference or pattern matching?
Explores whether CoT instructions unlock real reasoning capabilities or simply constrain models to mimic familiar reasoning patterns from training data. This matters for understanding whether language models can actually reason abstractly.
adjacent: imitation vs computation
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What do models actually learn from chain-of-thought training?
When models train on reasoning demonstrations, do they memorize content details or absorb reasoning structure? Testing with corrupted data reveals which aspects of CoT samples actually drive learning.
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LLMs cannot execute iterative numerical methods in latent space and fall back to result guessing against memorized templates