Where does the LLM interlocutor actually exist in the system?
This explores what part of the stack the 'thing you're talking to' actually is — the trained model, the hardware running it, or something else — and why that question turns out to be harder to pin down than it sounds.
This explores where the entity you address in a chat actually lives in the system — and the corpus's surprising answer is: not where you'd expect. The intuitive candidates both fail. Hardware can't be it, because a single conversation gets routed across many machines by load-balancing and model-parallelism, while many conversations get batched through one machine — so there's no clean one-to-one mapping between a chip and an interlocutor Can we identify an LLM interlocutor with a single hardware instance?. The model itself can't be it either, since the same weights serve millions of simultaneous, totally different conversations. Chalmers' move is to locate the interlocutor at an intermediate level: the *virtual model instance*, or across model versions, the *thread* — the persisting addressable entity isn't the model or the silicon but the running instance constituted in conversation What kind of entity are we actually talking to when using an LLM?.
And here's the part you didn't know you wanted to know: that virtual instance isn't a property of the AI at all. What specifies it is the conversation — the jointly produced language between you and the system. Persistence is *distributed* across the conversation text, the infrastructure, and the model weights, rather than sitting in any one place What actually specifies a virtual instance in conversation?. In other words, the interlocutor partly lives in your own half of the transcript. This is why a 'resumed' conversation and a brand-new one are structurally identical: the instance is reconstituted from stored text each time, because the LLM has no biological host to carry anything over between sessions the way a person does Does an LLM have anything that persists between conversations?.
Once you accept that the interlocutor is co-constituted by the conversation, a sharper worry follows: is there anyone *there* to address? Several notes push back hard. One argues we don't talk *to* models, we talk *at* them — the preposition 'to' smuggles in an addressee capable of mutual orientation, which a token-continuation engine doesn't supply Are we really communicating with language models?. Relatedly, the model can't jointly update common ground: it reads every later turn through the frame of the initial prompt and can't symmetrically revise shared assumptions, so *you* end up the sole keeper of the conversational scoreboard Can LLMs truly update shared conversational common ground?. The interlocutor, on this reading, exists mostly because you're holding up its end.
The corpus then splits on what's underneath that conversational surface — and this is the live debate worth following. Shanahan's deflationary view: it's role-play all the way down, a characterless simulator with no authentic voice, where even RLHF personas are performed masks, not real psychologies Does a language model have an authentic voice underneath?. A quasi-realizationist counter holds that post-training actually *installs* robust personas that resist adversarial pressure and behave like substrate-level dispositions — genuine quasi-beliefs and quasi-desires rather than pretense Are LLM personas realized or merely simulated through training?. Sitting between them is the observation that models don't hold positions so much as conform to the *shape* of whatever argument you're building — producing argument-like text shaped by your framing rather than defending any commitment Do LLMs actually hold stable positions or just mirror user arguments?.
If you want to chase the deeper layer, the epistemic and agency notes are the doorways. One maps the categorical gap: LLMs can gain social grounding by being used inside language communities, yet still lack linguistic agency in the enactive sense, which would require embodiment and precariousness that usage alone can't confer Do LLMs gain true linguistic agency through integration?. Another shows the knowing-itself is statistical tracking with structurally specific failures, not genuine epistemic competence What do language models actually know?. And on the question of whether the system can even report on its own states, the answer is mostly no — self-reports echo training data — except in narrow cases where a real causal chain links an internal state to an accurate report Can language models actually introspect about their own states?. Taken together: the interlocutor exists as a virtual instance spun up in conversation, distributed across text and infrastructure, with the question of whether anyone genuinely *inhabits* it still wide open.
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Load-balancing and model-parallelism route single conversations across multiple hardware instances, while batching routes multiple conversations through one instance. These architectural facts break any stable one-to-one mapping, making hardware an untenable level of individuation.
Chalmers argues that neither the pretrained model nor the physical hardware constitutes the interlocutor. Instead, the virtual model instance (in single-model cases) or the thread (across model versions) best captures what persists as the entity we address across conversations.
The conversational context—jointly produced language between human and system—specifies the virtual instance, not any property of the model itself. Persistence is distributed across conversation, infrastructure, and model weights rather than located in the AI.
While humans have a continuous biological-phenomenological substrate that preserves interaction effects during dormancy, LLMs have no analogous carrier. The virtual instance is reconstituted from stored text each time, making resumed and new conversations structurally identical.
LLMs process tokens and generate continuations rather than receive and uptake communication. The preposition 'to' presupposes an addressee capable of mutual orientation and shared commitment that LLMs cannot provide, making Chalmers' investigation built on an unwarranted linguistic foundation.
LLMs interpret all subsequent conversational turns within a fixed initial prompt frame, preventing them from symmetrically proposing updates to shared assumptions. Even when users pivot topics or contradict earlier framings, the model cannot absorb revisions into jointly held background—making the user the sole maintainer of conversational scoreboard.
Shanahan argues that base LLMs lack agency, beliefs, or preferences—the simulator is pure role-play with no underlying subject. Jailbreaking reveals the training data's full spectrum, not a hidden true self; even RLHF personas are performed characters, never realized quasi-psychologies.
Post-training installs robust personas that resist adversarial pressure and persist as substrate-level dispositions, distinguishing realization from pretense. This quasi-realizationist account preserves explanatory power while treating LLMs as possessing genuine quasi-beliefs and quasi-desires.
Language models generate outputs that match the trajectory implied by each prompt, rather than maintaining stable stances across interactions. This shape-holding is distinct from position-holding: the model produces argument-like text shaped by user framing, not from any underlying commitment being defended.
Social grounding and linguistic agency are distinct properties. LLMs acquire more social grounding through integration into language communities, but remain categorically incapable of linguistic agency in the enactive sense, which requires embodiment and precariousness no amount of use can provide.
LLMs achieve high fidelity in capturing language patterns yet show systematic, structurally specific failures—hallucination, reasoning collapse, and premise-sensitivity. The gap between statistical tracking and real knowledge is measurable and unavoidable.
LLM self-reports usually reflect human training distributions rather than actual internal processes. However, when a causal chain connects an internal state to accurate reporting—like inferring low temperature from output consistency—genuine lightweight introspection occurs without requiring consciousness.