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After training, is an AI's reasoning newly built — or just dug out from skills it already had?

How much of LLM behavior traces to post-training reward signals?

This explores how much of what a language model does (its reasoning ability, its personality, its tendencies) is actually created by the reward-based training applied after pretraining, and how much was already there and only gets brought out by that training.


This explores how much of an LLM's behavior is actually created by post-training reward signals, as opposed to already sitting in the pretrained model and simply being brought out by reward training. The corpus leans toward a surprising answer: for reasoning ability, rewards mostly select from what is already there. For temperament and default dispositions, they seem to leave a larger mark.

The strongest evidence comes from studies of reinforcement learning with verifiable rewards (RLVR). As What does reward learning actually do to model reasoning? summarizes, RLVR makes models more likely to land on correct answers they could already reach, without expanding what they can solve at all. A single training example can be enough to trigger the effect. Even spurious rewards, which don't track correctness, work almost as well as correct ones, provided the model had the right pretraining. That points to the reward acting as a switch rather than a teacher. The physical footprint matches. Does reinforcement learning update only a small fraction of parameters? finds that RL changes only 5–30% of a model's parameters, and that roughly the same subnetwork gets updated across different random seeds. That suggests the reward is steering an existing structure, not building a new one.

How the reward is shaped also matters, in ways that complicate any simple 'rewards make the model' story. Does negative reinforcement alone outperform full reinforcement learning? shows that training only on penalties for wrong answers matches or beats full RL. Rewarding correct answers, on the other hand, can narrow the model's range of answers by piling probability onto a few paths. So much of what post-training does may be pruning bad behavior rather than adding good behavior. The source of the signal is also shifting. Can language models replace reward models with internal signals? describes methods where the model's own judgments replace a separate reward model, and Can reference examples make LLM judges reliable enough for self-improvement? shows an LLM judge anchored to reference answers can match a trained reward model. Increasingly, the 'post-training reward' is partly the pretrained model grading itself, which makes the two harder to separate.

Personality and disposition tell a different story. Do LLMs show reproducible psychological profiles when given standardized tests? finds that nine different LLMs each have stable, distinctive psychological profiles, yet all converge on a shared prosocial, stability-seeking pattern. That shared layer looks like a fingerprint of alignment training, sitting on top of model-specific traits that likely come from earlier in training. Fine-tuning also leaves traces the model can report on. Can language models describe their own learned behaviors? shows models fine-tuned to behave a certain way can describe that behavior without ever being trained to do so. But Can language models actually introspect about their own states? warns that most of what models say about themselves echoes human writing in their training data, not genuine insight into their own workings. So asking a model where its behavior comes from won't settle the question.

The corpus has no study that cleanly measures what share of behavior comes from rewards, so take the overall picture as directional. Post-training rewards seem to decide which of the model's existing abilities show up and what its default 'personality' looks like. The abilities themselves were mostly set during pretraining. If you want one place to start, What does reward learning actually do to model reasoning? is the clearest window into why a reward can matter enormously for behavior while adding almost nothing to capability.


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What does reward learning actually do to model reasoning?

Research shows RLVR improves sampling efficiency within existing capability boundaries without expanding them. A single training example suffices for activation, and spurious rewards work nearly as well as correct ones for models with appropriate pretraining.

Does reinforcement learning update only a small fraction of parameters?

Across seven RL algorithms and ten LLM families, RL induces intrinsic parameter sparsity of 5–30% without explicit regularization. Critically, these sparse updates are nearly full-rank and nearly identical across random seeds, indicating structural rather than arbitrary parameter selection.

Does negative reinforcement alone outperform full reinforcement learning?

Training with only negative samples consistently improves Pass@k across the spectrum, often matching full PPO and GRPO. Negative reinforcement suppresses incorrect trajectories while preserving diversity, whereas positive-only reinforcement degrades higher-k performance by concentrating probability mass.

Can language models replace reward models with internal signals?

Late-2025 RL literature independently converges on three patterns that replace different RLHF components: pairwise self-judgment replaces the reward model, internal belief-shift replaces the critic, and rich-feedback self-distillation replaces explicit reward signals. Each emerges from the policy's own computations, making the trained reward classifier optional.

Can reference examples make LLM judges reliable enough for self-improvement?

Anchoring LLM-judges to reference answers with explicit usage instructions improved judge accuracy by 6.8% and enabled self-improvement training via DPO to match finetuned reward model performance on AlpacaEval and Arena-Hard benchmarks.

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Do LLMs show reproducible psychological profiles when given standardized tests?

Nine LLMs given seven psychological instruments in Chinese and English showed stable, model-specific response configurations reproducible across repeated administrations, while all models converged on a shared prosocial and stability-oriented pattern. Structured non-response patterns also distinguished models, suggesting the boundary of what each model treats as applicable is part of its behavioral signature.

Can language models describe their own learned behaviors?

LLMs fine-tuned on datasets exhibiting specific behaviors accurately describe those behaviors without any training to self-report. This suggests behavioral regularities are encoded and accessible in ways that factual knowledge often is not.

Can language models actually introspect about their own states?

LLM self-reports usually reflect human training distributions rather than actual internal processes. However, when a causal chain connects an internal state to accurate reporting—like inferring low temperature from output consistency—genuine lightweight introspection occurs without requiring consciousness.

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