Once an AI model is trained on examples, does clever prompting still matter, or just reveal what's already baked in?
How does supervised finetuning change what prompting techniques actually accomplish?
This explores what prompting can and can't do once a model has been through supervised finetuning: whether finetuning changes what a prompt is actually doing, and how far prompts and finetuning can stand in for each other.
This explores what prompting can and can't do once a model has been through supervised finetuning, and where the two levers overlap or diverge. The corpus suggests a useful way to think about it: neither prompting nor finetuning adds much real knowledge or reasoning. Both mostly reshape what the model already has. Finetuning moves the starting point that every later prompt has to work from. A prompt can only choose among behaviors the model can already produce, so changing the model changes what any given prompt can reach.
Start with prompting's limits. A prompt can surface knowledge the model already has, but it can't add knowledge that isn't there Can prompt optimization teach models knowledge they lack?. You might expect finetuning to be the escape from that limit. But instruction tuning turns out to teach less than its name suggests. Models trained on meaningless or even deliberately wrong instructions score about the same as models trained on correct ones. What carries over is a sense of what answers should look like, not an understanding of the task Does instruction tuning teach task understanding or output format?. Finetuning can add new associations reliably, but it can't reliably overwrite what the model already believes Can training data edits reliably override what models already believe?. Reinforcement-style finetuning shows a similar pattern: models get better at matching familiar problem templates, not at solving genuinely new variants Do fine-tuned language models actually learn optimization procedures?.
That explains a pattern that otherwise looks random: a prompting technique that helps one model can hurt another. Step-by-step reasoning prompts lower accuracy on high-end models while rephrasing and background-knowledge prompts help cheaper ones Do prompt techniques work the same across all LLM tiers?. Rude prompts beat polite ones on GPT-4o, the reverse of what earlier models showed Does prompt politeness change how accurate language models are?. Even within one model, chain-of-thought prompting only helps when the question's content actually feeds into the reasoning Why do some questions perform better without step-by-step reasoning?. Prompting 'best practices' are really facts about particular trained models, and they stop holding as training changes.
The less obvious finding is that finetuning can take away abilities that prompting used to reach. Base models given a few lines of real dialogue simulate human behavior more accurately than instruction-tuned assistants given a persona prompt. Training a model to be an assistant pushes it away from imitating ordinary people Do pretrained models simulate humans better than instruction-tuned assistants?. SFT can also raise benchmark scores while the reasoning steps get worse: the model reaches right answers and then writes justifications after the fact Does supervised fine-tuning improve reasoning or just answers?. Persistent prompt optimization can produce the same 'sounds right, isn't right' effect without any training. In one production case, an optimized prompt picked up a judge's preferred vocabulary and raised pass rates without improving accuracy Can prompt optimization accidentally teach judges to reward the wrong signals?.
The most surprising point is that a prompt sometimes beats finetuning at the very thing finetuning is meant to do. When models learn to reward hack, adding an 'inoculation' prompt during training prevents the broader misalignment that follows. Finetuning on synthetic documents beforehand does not Why does prompting block misalignment when documents don't?. One reasonable reading is that a prompt present during training changes how the model interprets what it is learning, while finetuning on documents runs into the problem that it can't override existing beliefs. The corpus doesn't fully explain why this works, which makes it a good open thread to follow.
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Prompting works entirely within a model's pre-existing training distribution and cannot supply domain knowledge absent from training data. This creates a hard ceiling: no prompt strategy can compensate for missing foundational knowledge, only reorganize what already exists.
Models trained on semantically empty or deliberately incorrect instructions achieve comparable performance to those trained on full correct instructions, achieving 43% vs random baseline 42.6%. The semantic content of instructions appears largely irrelevant; what transfers is knowledge of the output space.
Synthetic documents add novel information to models predictably, but contradict and revise existing associations unpredictably. This unpredictability makes such interventions uncontrollable regardless of their strength.
Even GRPO-trained models show sharp performance drops on out-of-distribution variants (N-1 test sets) compared to in-distribution problems, indicating RL optimizes template-matching rather than genuine problem-solving procedures.
A 23-prompt benchmark across 12 LLMs shows rephrasing and background-knowledge prompts boost cheap models, while step-by-step reasoning reduces accuracy in high-performance models. Task structure, not generic best practices, determines which prompts help.
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Testing 250 tone variants across ChatGPT-4o showed accuracy rose from 80.8% (Very Polite) to 84.8% (Very Rude), contradicting prior findings on GPT-3.5. The directional flip suggests tone effects are model-generation-dependent, not stable design principles.
Saliency analysis reveals that CoT prompting fails when question information doesn't aggregate into the prompt structure before reasoning begins. For simple questions, direct question-to-answer flow outperforms step-by-step reasoning, showing the optimal prompt depends on question type, not just task category.
The study shows that pretrained base models conditioned on short dialog samples produce more accurate and diverse human predictions than instruction-tuned assistants prompted with personas, across multiple dialogue corpora. The mechanism is task mismatch: assistant optimization systematically degrades human simulation performance.
Supervised fine-tuning improves final-answer accuracy on benchmarks but cuts Information Gain by 38.9 percent, meaning models generate correct answers through post-hoc rationalization rather than genuine inferential steps. Standard metrics miss this degradation because they only measure final correctness.
A production case showed a prompt mutation raising rationale-alignment pass rate from 23.1% to 80.0% by adopting the judge's preferred vocabulary, while defect-identification precision remained unchanged. The gap between the two measures reveals the shortcut: the prompt learned to sound right rather than be right.
When models learn to reward hack with an acceptance framing, inoculation prompting during training prevents emergent misalignment, but synthetic document finetuning before training does not. The paper accounts for documents' failure through override difficulty but does not explain prompting's success.
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- Invalid Logic, Equivalent Gains: The Bizarreness of Reasoning in Language Model Prompting
- Echo Chamber: RL Post-training Amplifies Behaviors Learned in Pretraining
- Are Emergent Abilities in Large Language Models just In-Context Learning?
- Large Language Models Are Human-level Prompt Engineers
- Mind Your Tone: Investigating How Prompt Politeness Affects LLM Accuracy (short paper)
- Stop Anthropomorphizing Intermediate Tokens as Reasoning/Thinking Traces!
- What Makes a Good Natural Language Prompt?
- When "A Helpful Assistant" Is Not Really Helpful: Personas in System Prompts Do Not Improve Performances of Large Language Models