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Before an AI learns which steps to take, it first has to get each step right — is that how reasoning appears?

How do two-phase training dynamics explain reasoning emergence?

This explores whether the two-stage pattern seen in RL training, where the model gets the mechanics right first and the strategy right second, explains how reasoning ability appears in language models.


This explores whether the two-stage pattern seen in RL training, mechanics first and strategy second, explains how reasoning appears in language models. The clearest evidence in the corpus is a study across eight models. Early in RL training, learning is driven by execution correctness, meaning getting each step of a calculation right. Later, the bottleneck shifts to strategic planning. Uncertainty over planning tokens rises while uncertainty over execution tokens settles, and focusing optimization on the planning tokens gave significant gains Does RL training follow a predictable two-phase learning sequence?. On this view, reasoning "emerging" is less a sudden spark than a handoff. The model first becomes reliable at carrying out steps, then the limiting factor becomes choosing which steps to take.

The first phase needs raw material to consolidate. An analysis of 5 million pretraining documents found that reasoning leans on broad procedural knowledge, the how-to patterns spread across many sources. Factual recall depends on narrow memorization instead Does procedural knowledge drive reasoning more than factual retrieval?. Another cluster of notes argues the capability is already inside base models. RL steering, critique fine-tuning, decoding changes, SAE feature steering and RLVR all elicit reasoning that was already present, which points to elicitation being the bottleneck rather than capability acquisition Do base models already contain hidden reasoning ability?. Read together, phase one looks like turning procedures the model already half-knows into dependable execution.

Phase two connects to a stranger claim, that RL post-training teaches when to reason, not how. Hybrid models recovered 91% of the performance gains just by routing tokens, and activation vectors for reasoning strategies exist before any RL Does RL post-training create reasoning or just deploy it?. If the second phase is about strategy, that fits: the model is learning when to deploy what it has. Two neighboring findings fit too. Reasoning models often abandon promising lines of thought too early, and penalizing thought-switching tokens at decoding time improves accuracy with no retraining Do reasoning models switch between ideas too frequently?. Reasoning verbosity turns out to be a single steerable direction in activation space Can we steer reasoning toward brevity without retraining?. Both suggest the strategic layer can be adjusted from the outside. The corpus never tests the link between the second phase and deployment timing directly, so that connection is my reading of these notes, not something any one of them shows.

Two complications keep the picture from being tidy. First, the phases aren't tied to post-training. RLP treats chain-of-thought as an exploratory action during pretraining itself and gets about a 19% lift Can chain-of-thought reasoning be learned during pretraining itself?. Looped models such as Ouro do their reasoning during pretraining through iterative latent loops Can reasoning be learned during pretraining rather than after?. Second, a two-phase curve may describe a particular setup more than a law of nature. The reusable unit of reasoning training is a feedback interface entangled with the verifier, base model, optimizer, scaffold and budget, and changing any one of them changes what the same data does What is the actual reusable unit of reasoning data?. Token-level entropy is also a surface signal, and other work argues reasoning mostly happens in hidden-state trajectories, with visible text as a partial interface Where does LLM reasoning actually happen during generation?. The two-phase story is best treated as a useful map of what RL improves and when, not a full account of where reasoning comes from.


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Does RL training follow a predictable two-phase learning sequence?

Across eight models, RL training consistently shows a first phase where execution correctness drives learning, followed by a second phase where strategic planning becomes the bottleneck. Planning token entropy increases while execution entropy stabilizes, and concentration of optimization on planning tokens yields significant performance gains.

Does procedural knowledge drive reasoning more than factual retrieval?

Analysis of 5 million pretraining documents shows reasoning relies on broad, transferable procedural knowledge from diverse sources, unlike factual recall which depends on narrow, document-specific memorization of target facts.

Do base models already contain hidden reasoning ability?

Five independent mechanisms—RL steering, critique fine-tuning, decoding changes, SAE feature steering, and RLVR—all elicit reasoning already present in base model activations. Post-training selects rather than creates reasoning; the bottleneck is elicitation, not capability acquisition.

Does RL post-training create reasoning or just deploy it?

Evidence shows base models already contain reasoning capability in latent form; RL training optimizes deployment timing rather than capability creation. Hybrid models recover 91% of performance gains by routing tokens only, and activation vectors for reasoning strategies pre-exist before any RL.

Do reasoning models switch between ideas too frequently?

o1-like models frequently abandon reasoning paths mid-exploration, wasting tokens on incomplete approaches. A decoding-only penalty on thought-transition tokens (TIP strategy) discourages switching, improving accuracy on challenging math without model fine-tuning.

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Can we steer reasoning toward brevity without retraining?

Activation-Steered Compression extracts a single vector from 50 paired examples to reduce chain-of-thought length by 67% while maintaining accuracy and achieving 2.73x speedup. The method is training-free and generalizes across model sizes and domains.

Can chain-of-thought reasoning be learned during pretraining itself?

RLP treats CoT as exploratory action during pretraining, using log-likelihood improvement as verifier-free reward. Applied to Qwen3-1.7B and Nemotron-Nano-12B, the method improves math and science benchmarks substantially, suggesting reasoning can be planted earlier in training.

Can reasoning be learned during pretraining rather than after?

Ouro's 1.4B–2.6B models match 12B baselines by performing reasoning during pretraining via iterative latent loops, not by storing more knowledge. Their intermediate latent states align strongly with final outputs, making them more faithful than divergent chain-of-thought traces.

What is the actual reusable unit of reasoning data?

The reusable unit in post-training is a feedback interface entangled with six factors: verifier, base model, lineage, optimizer, scaffold, and budget. Changing any one alters the same data's effect, making attribution tractable only when these are jointly released.

Where does LLM reasoning actually happen during generation?

Evidence from CoT faithfulness tests, feature steering, and layer analysis suggests latent-state dynamics drive reasoning, while surface chain-of-thought serves as a partial interface. Hidden reasoning processes should be the default focus of study.

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