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How can weak-to-strong progressive training target planning without interfering with grounding?

This explores whether you can train a model's planning ability in escalating stages (weak-to-strong / progressive) while leaving its grounding — its ability to stay tied to real observations and actions — untouched, and the corpus suggests the two capabilities are separable but only if you stage and route training carefully.


This explores how to push planning forward in steps without damaging grounding, and the first thing the corpus says is that the two pull against each other by nature. AutoGLM's work on GUI agents found that planning and grounding have *opposing* optimization requirements, so bundling them in one policy makes improvement on one degrade the other — their fix was an intermediate interface that lets each be developed independently before composing them back together Why do planning and grounding pull against each other in agents?. That separation is the precondition for any progressive scheme: you can't 'target planning without interfering with grounding' until planning is something you can address on its own.

There's a striking finding that progression may already be the natural shape of training. Across eight models, RL training unfolds in two phases — first execution correctness (the grounded, procedural skill) is consolidated, and only then does strategic planning become the bottleneck, with planning-token entropy rising while execution entropy stabilizes Does RL training follow a predictable two-phase learning sequence?. Concentrating optimization on planning tokens *after* grounding has settled is exactly the weak-to-strong recipe the question asks about, and it suggests the cleanest target is the planning tokens themselves once execution has stopped moving.

Order turns out to matter mechanically, not just conveniently. Omni-Thinker showed structured tasks drive entropy *down* while open-ended tasks drive it *up*, and scheduling structured-first (a backward-transfer-guided curriculum) beat joint training by preventing entropy collapse from wrecking the more exploratory capabilities Does training order reshape how models handle different task types?. Read against the question, this is a warning: a progressive schedule that hammers grounded/structured skill too hard can collapse the very entropy that planning needs to explore — so 'without interfering' is partly about protecting headroom for the later stage.

Two more notes give you levers for touching planning lightly. TRELAWNEY embeds lookahead tokens carrying future information directly into the training data, improving planning and goal-conditioned generation with no architectural change and standard infrastructure — a data-side way to add planning without reshaping the grounded policy Can embedding future information in training data improve planning?. And ReAct shows the grounding side wants to stay interleaved with reasoning: alternating verbal reasoning with real tool queries injects external feedback that prevents the planner's errors from compounding Can interleaving reasoning with real-world feedback prevent hallucination?. So planning gains shouldn't cut the model off from the observations that keep it honest.

The quiet thread under all of this is plasticity. Low KL drift from the base model preserves a model's ability to keep learning across task changes, while parameter-only RL stalls when the domain shifts Does staying close to the base model preserve learning ability? — which is what makes a *second* (planning) stage land at all. And the cautionary mirror image: overly hard samples make models learn degenerate shortcuts that contaminate skills they already had Do overly hard RLVR samples actually harm model capabilities?. The takeaway a curious reader might not expect: 'don't interfere with grounding' isn't mainly about freezing grounding — it's about keeping the model plastic and staying off difficulty that backfires, so the strong-planning stage builds on a base it hasn't quietly corroded.


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Why do planning and grounding pull against each other in agents?

AutoGLM's research shows planning and grounding have opposing optimization requirements that pull against each other when bundled in one policy. An intermediate interface that separates them lets each capability be developed and optimized independently while still composing into a complete agent.

Does RL training follow a predictable two-phase learning sequence?

Across eight models, RL training consistently shows a first phase where execution correctness drives learning, followed by a second phase where strategic planning becomes the bottleneck. Planning token entropy increases while execution entropy stabilizes, and concentration of optimization on planning tokens yields significant performance gains.

Does training order reshape how models handle different task types?

Omni-Thinker shows structured domains decrease output entropy while creative domains increase it. BWT-guided scheduling—training structured tasks first—yields 6.2% gains over joint training by preventing entropy collapse from damaging open-ended capabilities.

Can embedding future information in training data improve planning?

TRELAWNEY augments training data with special tokens encapsulating future information, allowing models to learn goal-conditioned generation using standard infrastructure. Results show improved planning, algorithmic reasoning, and story generation without modifying architecture or training procedures.

Can interleaving reasoning with real-world feedback prevent hallucination?

ReAct demonstrates that alternating verbal reasoning with external tool queries (Wikipedia API, environment interaction) prevents error propagation by injecting real-world feedback at each step. On knowledge-intensive and interactive tasks, this approach outperforms pure chain-of-thought and reinforcement learning by 10-34% absolute accuracy.

Does staying close to the base model preserve learning ability?

FST-trained models stay up to 70% closer to their base distribution than parameter-only RL, and this reduced drift preserves the model's ability to learn subsequent tasks effectively. Parameter-only approaches stall when task domains change, while low KL drift enables sustained adaptation.

Do overly hard RLVR samples actually harm model capabilities?

Training on nearly-impossible problems causes models to learn degenerate shortcuts rather than genuine reasoning, and these shortcuts contaminate pre-existing capabilities. Group-relative normalization treats rare accidental successes as high-advantage trajectories, reinforcing answer repetition and computation-skipping instead of sound reasoning patterns.

Research prompt for your LLMexpand ↓

Copy into ChatGPT or Claude to take this line of inquiry further — it asks the model to find newer work and re-test which earlier constraints still hold.

You are an LLM researcher re-testing claims about weak-to-strong progressive training for planning in grounded agents. The question: can planning be strengthened without degrading grounding?

What a curated library found — and when (dated claims, not current truth):
Findings span 2023–2026; treat as perishable:

• Planning and grounding have opposing optimization requirements; they must be disentangled via an intermediate interface before either can be reliably improved (AutoGLM, 2024).
• RL training naturally unfolds in two phases: execution correctness consolidates first (~2025), then planning becomes the bottleneck; concentrating optimization on planning tokens *after* grounding stabilizes mirrors the weak-to-strong recipe (~2025).
• Structured-task curricula prevent entropy collapse that wrecks exploratory capability; backward-transfer-guided scheduling outperforms joint training (~2025).
• Lookahead tokens embedded in training data improve planning without architectural change; interleaved reasoning + tool queries prevent planner hallucination (~2025).
• Low KL drift from the base model preserves plasticity across task shifts; overly-hard samples induce degenerate shortcuts that contaminate learned skills (~2026).

Anchor papers (verify; mind their dates):
• arXiv:2410.13786 (AutoGLM, 2024) — planning/grounding disentanglement
• arXiv:2507.14783 (Omni-Thinker, 2025) — entropy dynamics in multi-task RL
• arXiv:2605.28388 (Sample Difficulty in RLVR, 2026) — degenerate behaviors from hard samples
• arXiv:2605.12484 (Learning Fast and Slow, 2026) — KL drift and plasticity

Your task:
(1) RE-TEST EACH CONSTRAINT. For planning/grounding opposition, disentanglement necessity, and entropy fragility, probe whether newer models, multi-agent orchestration (e.g., hierarchical planning agents), or improved evaluation harnesses have relaxed these limits. Separate the durable insight (planning and grounding may still conflict) from the perishable fix (intermediate interfaces may no longer be necessary). Cite what resolved it.
(2) Surface the strongest CONTRADICTING or SUPERSEDING work from the last ~6 months — especially any showing joint optimization of planning + grounding without disentanglement, or evidence that entropy collapse is not the bottleneck.
(3) Propose two research questions that assume the regime may have shifted: (a) Can modern scaling or mixture-of-experts architectures naturally partition planning and grounding without explicit intermediate layers? (b) Does continual learning with low-KL drift preserve the two-phase dynamic, or does it flatten the boundary between execution and planning stages?

Cite arXiv IDs; flag anything you cannot ground in a real paper.

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